Q19:The French has gone behind while the Swiss has gone ahead.

July 1, 2007

Percentage (answered): 66.67%

Answer: Choffles

COCs and hunters, please comment here. Hunters, if possible, please comment what happen in the car when attempting this.

Maybe, bloggers can quote similar hunt questions from their hunt experience as an example to have another view of this question.

Many thanks.




    ABC : B is ahead of A
    B is behind C

    Therefore “OFF” is ahead of CH(the Swiss)
    and “OFf” is behind LES (the French)

    HAS GONE : not in the usual meaning but
    “possess” the word “GONE”.

    From feedback : nobody saw it that way! What a waste!
    Was it? Tell me!

  2. I think my team saw this. From feedback, most teams don’t have enough time on this last sector in Damansara Perdana. I might be wrong.

    Our team have more than enough time at the Damansara Perdana section, we stop for 15 minutes break to check out the answers and treasures, have a few U-turns and also the first one to pass it up. The reason of course is we skip too many earlier questions!! We have to admit we take 2 rounds to see through this.

    We really want to get this right. If we don’t get the last sector right, and with a few miscalculation on the time, we might end up negative!! Haha.

    What happen in the car is we are searching ‘le’ at the back, and have one possible answer, which we don’t think so. Then ideas come in that Swiss ahead, so we are looking for CH in the front too. Then we saw the answer which have both CH in the front and LES behind. Taking the centre remaining words “off” and we see it means “gone”. Then we replace the “off” to “gone” in the question and it make sense and we are sure we get it.

    This is the third answers that we think we get it right at that moment, and we are in Q19 out of 20 questions. This is ridiculous!!

  3. My team skipped this sector as we were already in the nick of time, points deducted as we drive. So, no point if we are not sure if we can solve it or not and the last sector is quite long. Too bad, the last two questions were in the 5 normal questions range… Hehe

    By breaking LES and CH, then it’s the matter of spotting and fitting the answer.

  4. ce5nt,

    In your ABC ‘line’ you consider C to be at the front of the line – it is more common to consider A to be at the front (esp. in English writing) since the letter A is the first to be read or written (of the ‘word’ ABC).

    Therfore, I think ‘B is behind A’ and ‘B is ahead of C’.

    My initial impression : The French (le/la/les) has
    gone (as in has moved) behind => look for a signboard
    ending with le/la/les. Similarly, that sign should start with ‘the Swiss’ but I had no idea what that was. (My queue is L to R)

    Thought that it was unlikely that choff was the Swiss,
    so interpreted it as :
    ‘ch’ was probably ‘the’ in Swiss ! and
    a)’les’, ‘off(=has gone) behind’ => location of ‘les’ is behind ‘off’ (though usually this would indicate ‘off’ is behind ‘les’)
    and similarly location of ‘ch’ is ahead of ‘off’
    b)’les’ has gone(moved) behind ‘off’
    ‘ch’ has gone (moved) ahead of ‘off’

    Conclusion : Whichever queueing method – very strong ‘tembak’.

    I must have used a bad example to illustrate the queue. It will be the same if you substituted ABC with C-G-B.

    (assuming a normal queue : B is at the start of the Queue and C is the latest to join the queue).

    G is behind B,
    G is ahead of C.

    I agree, this was not deceptive enough and just identifying the Swiss, OFF=GONE, French is enough to “tembak” correctly. If only there were other Swiss or French signs in the same sector, then this would have worked better with the other signs being red herrings.

  6. It’s just too bad that we’re running short on time when we reached this particular clue. I have no problem whatsoever with ce5nt’s explanation. I think it is perfectly acceptable. But the trouble was that we were looking for words ending with ‘le’ instead of ‘les’. And since time wasn’t on our side, we had to centre in on ANYTHING that ended with ‘le’. It was a situation where we gave an answer for the sake of giving an answer…. nothing more!

  7. So, there are 2 teams that can’t get this answer and both can’t get it because out of time.

    The lesson to learn is “when to let go!”.
    A very vital strategy in competitive hunting.

    I think most teams were too determined to get things solved when it was clear that overtime was being incurred.

    In a normal hunt, KIVs would have been copied for use later instead of spending overtime at each sector.

    Having said that, of course, this is not a proper hunt to judge any strategy!

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